people who listen to the nixon-kennedy debate, they thought nixon won. people who watched it on tv, they thought it went to jfk. >> obviously those famous mom t moments -- maria wlamaria, what think? >> you pointed to a famous moment that didn't do anything to fix the outcome of the campaign, so while there could be those moments onstage, it's really up to the voters whether those moments are going to become game-changing for the campaign itself. and let's be honest here. both candidates are going to be very well prepared. both candidates have tremendous strengths going into this. both candidates are going to be well-versed on the other's record. they've had tremendous policy briefings. they're going to be holed up for two or three days. so we're going to see two very prepared men going into these debates and i think amy is right. it's going to be the unscripted moments that are really going to give us a clue into -- at least for those three people who are undecided out there. >> to see whether those moments define or distract. maria cardona, amy holmes,